Wednesday, March 10, 2010

Conservatives Are Anti-Christian; Conservatives Say Christians Are Nazis or Communists

By Rev. James Martin, S.J.Jesuit priest and culture editor of America magazine

From The Huffington Post -- March 8, 2010:

"Glenn Beck to Jesus: Drop Dead

Glenn Beck said last week on his eponymous show that Christians should leave churches that preach "social justice." Mr. Beck equated the desire for a just society with--wait for it--Nazism and Communism.

I'm begging you, your right to religion and freedom to exercise religion and read all of the passages of the Bible as you want to read them and as your church wants to preach them . . . are going to come under the ropes in the next year. If it lasts that long it will be the next year. I beg you, look for the words 'social justice' or 'economic justice' on your church Web site. If you find it, run as fast as you can. Social justice and economic justice, they are code words. Now, am I advising people to leave their church? Yes.

This means that you would have to leave the Catholic Church, which has long championed that aspect of the Gospel. The term "social justice" originated way back in the 1800s (and probably predates even that), and has been underlined by the Magisterium and popes since Leo XIII, who began the modern tradition of Catholic social teaching with his encyclical on capital and labor, Rerum Novarum in 1891. Subsequent popes have built on Leo's work, continuing the church's meditation on a variety of issues of social justice in such landmark documents as Pope Pius XI's encyclical on "the reconstruction of the social order," Quadregismo Anno (1931), Paul VI's encyclical "on the development of peoples," Populorum Progressio (1967) and John Paul II's encyclical "on the social concerns of the church" Sollicitudo Rei Socialis (1987).

The Compendium of the Social Teaching of the Church, published by the Pontifical Council for Justice and Peace, says this:

The Church's social Magisterium constantly calls for the most classical forms of justice to be respected: commutative, distributive and legal justice. Ever greater importance has been given to social justice., which represents a real development in general justice, the justice that regulates social relationships according to the criterion of observance of the law. Social justice, a requirement related to the social question which today is worldwide in scope, concerns the social, political and economic aspects and, above all, the structural dimension of problems and their respective solutions....

Social justice is not just some silly foreign idea. American Catholics know that the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops have an Office of Justice, Peace and Human Development. On that website the U.S. bishops say: "At the core of the virtue of solidarity is the pursuit of justice and peace. Our love for all our sisters and brothers demands that we promote peace in a world surrounded by violence and conflict."

Get it? Social justice is an essential part of Catholic teaching. It's part of being a Catholic. So Glenn Beck is, in essence, saying "Leave the Catholic church."

But Glenn Beck is saying something else: "Leave Christianity." Again and again in the Gospels, Jesus mentions our responsibility to care for the poor, to work on their behalf, to stand with them. In fact, when asked how his followers would be judged he doesn't say that it will be based on where you worship, or how you pray, or how often you go to church, or even what political party you believe in. He says something quite different: It depends on how you treat the poor.

In the Gospel of Matthew (25) he tells his surprised disciples, that when you are meeting the poor, you are meeting him. They protest. "Lord, when was it that we saw you hungry and gave you food, or thirsty and gave you something to drink? And when was it that we saw you a stranger and welcomed you, or naked and gave you clothing? And when was it that we saw you sick or in prison and visited you?' And the king will answer them, 'Truly I tell you, just as you did it to one of the least of these who are members of my family, you did it to me."

But our responsibility to care for "the least of these" does not end with simple charity. Giving someone a handout is an important part of the Christian message. But so is advocating for them. It is not enough simply to help the poor, one must address the structures that keep them that way. Standing up for the rights of the poor is not being a Nazi, it's being Christian. And Communist, as Mr. Beck suggests? It's hard not to think of the retort of the great apostle of social justice, Dom Helder Camara, archbishop of Recife, "When I give food to the poor, they call me a saint. When I ask why the poor have no food, they call me a communist."

The attack on social justice is the tack of those who wish to ignore the concerns the poor and ignore the social structures that foster poverty. It's not hard to see why people are tempted to do so. How much easier it would be if we didn't have to worry about the poor!

But ignoring the poor, and ignoring what keeps them poor, is, quite simply, unchristian. For the poor are the church in many ways. When St. Lawrence, in the fourth century, was ordered by the prefect of Rome to turn over the wealth of the church, he presented to him the poor.

The attack on social justice is the tack of those who wish to ignore the concerns the poor and ignore the social structures that foster poverty. It's not hard to see why people are tempted to do so. How much easier it would be if we didn't have to worry about the poor!

Glenn Beck's desire to detach social justice from the Gospel is a move to detach care for the poor from the Gospel. But a church without the poor, and a church without a desire for a just social world for all, is not the church.

At least not the church of Jesus Christ. Who was, by the way, poor."


Thank you, Glenn Beck, for clearly showing the world how Un-Christian -- indeed, how anti-Christian -- Conservatives are.

38 comments:

RayGun said...

Casey, or any other con, do you think cons are being persecuted like Jews were persecuted in Nazi Germany?

Casey said...

I think what Glenn Beck was saying here was the use of the specific term or wording of, "social justice", and not that we should not help the poor. But you all know this.
Mr Beck is, I believe a member of the LDS Church. I belive that LDS believe in helping the poor. I believe that LDS have many programs that promote charitiable causes.

And no, RG. To answer your rediculus question, no, I do not believe that cons are being persecuted. To make that comparison is to trivialize the persecution of the Jews in Nazi Germany. I don't know RG, you are being to make my antisemetic meter go off....

RayGun said...

"And no, RG. To answer your rediculus question, no, I do not believe that cons are being persecuted."

"Glenn Beck warns that Obama is setting up FEMA concentration camps to warehouse the nation's neocons, fundies, ..."

Hmmmm.

Casey said...

New unemploymnet numbers out this week. Another 420,000 jobs lost, and yet, Healthcare is the big crisis that they are all spending their time on!
Obama has made Healthcare Reform his legacy goal. He is going to push that while millions of Americans loose their jobs and homes. Is it any wonder why the people of this country are pissed off?
You guys want to help the poor? Get off the healthcare kick and put pressure on to have the Administration pay the same time and energy into job creation and the economy. That would be helping the poor.

Casey said...

"Glenn Beck warns that Obama is setting up FEMA concentration camps to warehouse the nation's neocons, fundies, ..."

Actually, I made a POINT of watching that show that dealt with that very subject. You are entirely WRONG. He debunked that rumor that has been around since the 1980's. The point to the program was to totally debunk the FEMA concentration camp thing. He showed pictures, and showed how they had been doctored. He exposed it as an internet rumor that had been started by some nut survivalists group. This show was of interest to me as I wanted to see where he was coming from. Again, he exposed this as a LIE and a HOAX.
If you were to actually make an effort you might have known that.

RayGun said...

But it just makes sense Case. Camps, gulags, etc, for the coming communism, fascist, dictatorship Obama is setting up. If you're nutty enough to believe the above, the camps make perfect sense.

Casey said...

That is an example of why it is good to actually watch and listen to BOTH sides. No 1 side is entirely in the right, as no 1 side is entirely wrong. To have a well balaced perspective, you need to see both sides, RG.
I am sorry, but as far as I can see you base your opinions on the opinions of others and you believe them because they are saying what you want to hear. (as evidenced by all of the opinion pieces that you site) This is a peculiar thing that I find with all of my liberal and left leaning friends. What? Open a book that is written by a conservative? Watch Fox News? You must be kidding me! Yet, I often do just that. I watch and read the other side. How am I to know what I stand for if I don't actually educate myself on the issues?

Casey said...

"But it just makes sense Case. Camps, gulags, etc, for the coming communism, fascist, dictatorship Obama is setting up."---RG

I just told you that I watched that show and it was exposed as a hoax. There was no question about it. So what are you talking about?

RayGun said...

But Case, do you believe that Obama is setting us up for communism, fascist, dictatorship?

How can we listen to your side, when your side is so nutty? Look at who your side is. Beck, Palin, Bachmann, and what other crazys?

Casey said...

I believe that he is trying to expand the role of the Federal Government in our lives. That does not necessarily mean that he is turning us into Facists or Communists. Those are your words, not mine. Quit trying to make me out to be some kind of alarmist nut case. Just because I believe differently than you do, it does not make me some kind of extremist.

Rg, I doubt very seriously that you even know who these people are, or what they believe in. Not first hand.
Did you ever read "Culture of Coruption" by Michelle Maulkin, or John Stossel's "Give me a Break"? Those would be good a good start. Both excellent books and not written by any of the people that you just mentioned.

Casey said...

I just found out that the entitity that turns down the most heatlhcare claims is....Medicare!

The Medicare denial rate found in the study was, on a weighted average basis, roughly 1.7 times that of all of the private carriers combined (99,025 divided by 2,447,216 is 4.05%; 6.85% divided by 4.05% =1.69).

Read more: http://newsbusters.org/blogs/tom-blumer/2009/10/06/deny-guess-who-has-highest-medical-claim-rejection-rate#ixzz0hsvo5UyV

Let's just let the government take over all of our healthcare. It would be fantastic!

RayGun said...

"The Medicare denial rate found in the study was, on a weighted average basis, roughly 1.7 times that of all of the private carriers combined"

I don't even have to investigate. Medicare participants are old people. Old people near end of life are going to be denied more care.

So Case, it's ok for insurance companies can deny claims in the name of profit, but the government can't deny claims in the name of saving the taxpayers money? Sounds like more con hypocrisy. Just like the cons are now in love with Medicare, as soon as Obama wanted to reduce the payouts.

Casey said...

"Medicare participants are old people. Old people near end of life are going to be denied more care."---RG

So basically, you are saying that care is and should be RATIONED based on age? How about other less than perfect people? How about people with deformities, or mental disabilities? Who are YOU to decide that these people do not deserve to live longer? Cost saving measures? This, I believe is what was meant by "death panels"
You just made the case.
I would put my money and faith in the private sector, thank you very much. As long as there are people like you out there, that feel that denying needed healthcare to anyone for reasons such as you just stated can be justified!
That was a monsterous statement, RG.

Casey said...

I know several people with MS. MS is incurable. The treatments are expensive. Since it is incurable, why not just deny them healthcare. Wouldn't treating them be a "waste of taxpayers money"? I mean since they aren't going to recover anyway...

RayGun said...

"That was a monsterous statement, RG."

Fuck off.

Your using Palins nutty death panel argument. You really have gone over to the side of the stupid.

Thats what the fuck Medicare does now, why aren't you complaining? Why haven't you complained? Why the fuck aren't you complaining now? Why aren't the GD insurance companies involved? Why, because fking insurance for the elderly would be 12k per year.

I am just about back to going in complete ridicule mode, as you cons are delusional and there's really no arguing with you.

BB only slightly delusional.

Casey said...

A NY politician wants to ban salt in NYC resturants. He says the healthcare costs associated with salt/blood pressure are too high. Are you for that kind of thing RG? We can ban LOTS of things in the name of "cost saving" to the taxpayers. Where does this shit end? And you say that cons want to tell people what to do. Boy are you confused!

Casey said...

"Fuck off.

Your using Palins nutty death panel argument. You really have gone over to the side of the stupid"---RG

No. You made the death panel argument and you know it. That's why you are so pissed off! I just caught you backing that theory up.
But since you mention it, now that I know the facts and figures---that were not made public until now, I AM complaining about the Medicare denials. I want to know why. I haven't heard about that until now. I don't think most people knew until now.
Geez, RG. You seriously have come unglued. Why? Did it disturb your rosey little faith in the Federal Government? Or are you REALLY for letting the elderly just die?

RayGun said...

"Or are you REALLY for letting the elderly just die? "

Case, sweet nut, your not going to give a heart transplant to a 99 year old person. Can you understand that? If that's a death panel so be it.

What about the poor elderly? In other words, you want to deny health care to the poor, but not to the poor elderly? The poor elderly have Medicare, but not 46 million younger Americans, who mostly can't afford it.

Cons are absurd to the extreme.

Casey said...

So, you are going to say that the denials were for heart transplants for 99 year olds? You don't know that. You have NO CLUE what the denials were for. You are just ASSUMING. It sounds better.

I don't remember saying that I wanted to deny healthcare to the poor. There you go again. Going to extremes. There should be a safety net for all Americans that need it. However I don't believe that we should all be in it.
And yes, RG. Rationing healthcare due to costs IS the arguement for "death panels". I probably wouldn't have used such extreme verbage, but that is what she decided to term it. What she was refering to was rationing. Really poor terminology in my opinion.

RayGun said...

You sanctimonious cons, preaching we can't afford health care for everyone, but talking death panels for grannys. How much more hypocritical can you get?

Casey said...

Hey---YOU said it. You need to re-read your defense of the Medicare denials. You clearly stated that it was because the Medicare patients are too old, and cost the tax payers too much. Let me remind you of your statement:

"Medicare participants are old people. Old people near end of life are going to be denied more care."---RG

When challenged on your statement, I believe your response was, "fuck off"
Then you got all butt hurt over this whole thing and now you are being a jerk.

RayGun said...

"Old people near end of life are going to be denied more care."

You dumb ass, are you going to give transplants to 99 year old people? You call that denying health care? Death panels.

RayGun said...

Cons want to give 300,000 dollar transplants to grannys, but say we can't afford health care for all that only costs 100 billion dollars a year. Gd cons are dumb.

Casey said...

Now you are calling me a "dumb ass"? sounds like someone is being a big baby!
Now, you tell ME how you know that these are heart transplant denials?
You tell me how you know that, when it does not state that anywhere in the study? SHOW ME! YOU CAN'T BECUASE:
You have made all of this up in your head.

RayGun said...

"Now, you tell ME how you know that these are heart transplant denials?"

GD, I really don't know how to get through to you cons. Break through to reality. I really think you cons land of make believe, has affected your every day thinking.

Casey said...

Great comeback, RG!
"Now, you tell ME how you know that these are heart transplant denials?"

RayGun said...

Get a brain. You cons have no common sense.

Casey said...

Guess you don't have an answer.

Why are you being so sensitive?

Casey said...

Are you just hating me because I'm Jewish? (kidding, RG---don't get your panties in a wad!)

Anon2 said...

"Glenn Beck said last week on his eponymous show that Christians should leave churches that preach "social justice." Mr. Beck equated the desire for a just society with--wait for it--Nazism and Communism."

Wasn't it Jesus who preached social justice?

Is Beck suggesting that Jesus was a Nazi and/or a Communist?

Beck is telling his flock to abandon Jesus and His church?

When Russia turned into a communist country, it was forbidden to practice religion and people were murdered for practicing their religion.

Next step: Will Beck take on the responsibility of being a born-again Stalin?

Brandon said...

"Cons want to give 300,000 dollar transplants to grannys, but say we can't afford health care for all that only costs 100 billion dollars a year. Gd cons are dumb."
-Raygun

That would sound ok if it were true! First off it will never only cost 100 billion and second it will never cover everyone. We already have health care coverage for the poor and they sign up after they get sick. So why in the hell would they ever get insured before they get sick and have to pay for it???

RayGun said...

Wallis says at least 20,000 people have already responded to his call to boycott Beck. He says Beck is confusing his personal philosophy with the Bible.

"He wants us to leave our churches, but we should leave him," Wallis says of Beck. "When your political philosophy is to consistently favor the rich over the poor, you don't want to hear about economic justice."

Wallis says he wants to go on Beck's show to challenge the contention that churches shouldn't preach economic and social justice.

Social and economic justice is at the heart of Jesus' message, Wallis says.

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Cons are the real communists, by promoting great wealth disparity.

Hitler was a fascist. Cons are also fascists, for their great undying love for a large military and large police force. In other words, they like telling others what to do, and use armed forces to shove their beliefs on others.

CJP said...

Who is Wallis, RG? He sounds great. Where can we read more about what he is doing?

RayGun said...

Sorry, never sure if anyone clicks the links or not.

Cons love child

Brandon said...

"Cons want to give 300,000 dollar transplants to grannys, but say we can't afford health care for all that only costs 100 billion dollars a year. Gd cons are dumb."
-Raygun

That would sound ok if it were true! First off it will never only cost 100 billion and second it will never cover everyone. We already have health care coverage for the poor and they sign up after they get sick. So why in the hell would they ever get insured before they get sick and have to pay for it???

-Raygun

Its funny how you always change the subject when you talk your way into a corner or you just resort to liberal talking points.

RayGun said...

"you talk your way into a corner or you just resort to liberal talking points. "

BB, I'm going to be like you cons, and just keep repeating it over and over again, and maybe that will make it true.

Cons have been wrong about absolutely everything.

Brandon said...

"Cons have been wrong about absolutely everything"
-Raygun

We were not wrong about the stimulus and how it would be a waste of our money! Have you spent any time looking thru the waste there?

Lets also remember that the stock market hasnt moved in the last few months.


What about gold? Isnt investing in gold a conservative point of view?

Does investing in gold make you, Raygun, a conservative?

RayGun said...

"Does investing in gold make you, Raygun, a conservative? "

I am a progressive. Live and learn.

BB, I go both ways in the political world. I live and learn. I think nothing less than a complete financial meltdown will cause you crazy cons to learn. Hence I buy gold.